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	<title>Comments on: What Black Pastors Are Saying About Rev. Wright</title>
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		<title>By: helenl</title>
		<link>http://helenl.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/what-blacks-pastors-are-saying-about-rev-wright/#comment-51742</link>
		<dc:creator>helenl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Goodtimepolitics,

I note you left no URL, a phony e-mail address, and a dog identicon.  I&#039;ll drop everything and answer you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Goodtimepolitics,</p>
<p>I note you left no URL, a phony e-mail address, and a dog identicon.  I&#8217;ll drop everything and answer you.</p>
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		<title>By: goodtimepolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodtimepolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I note that neither Wright nor you nor his other supporters have defended the actual words he said.&lt;

They can not defend the words that Wright has said, such as the US Goverment invented aids to kill off black people! To me that was a racist statement from Wright and also an anti-American comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I note that neither Wright nor you nor his other supporters have defended the actual words he said.&lt;</p>
<p>They can not defend the words that Wright has said, such as the US Goverment invented aids to kill off black people! To me that was a racist statement from Wright and also an anti-American comment!</p>
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		<title>By: helenl</title>
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		<dc:creator>helenl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RG, Wright didn&#039;t &quot;call for God’s damnation of our country.&quot;  He prophesied that God would damn America, if she doesn&#039;t change her ways.  Wright presented a warning not a sure thing.  That&#039;s what prophecy is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RG, Wright didn&#8217;t &#8220;call for God’s damnation of our country.&#8221;  He prophesied that God would damn America, if she doesn&#8217;t change her ways.  Wright presented a warning not a sure thing.  That&#8217;s what prophecy is.</p>
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		<title>By: renaissanceguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>renaissanceguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, that definition is very convenient for you and for Jeremiah Wright.  It automatically classifies all white Americans as racists and no black Americans as racists.  

I read several definitions of racism from different sources.  They included:

*the belief that one&#039;s race is superior and other races are inferior
*unjust discrimination against other people because they belong to a different race
*practices designed to keep a particular race dominant over other races in a particular society

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I note that neither Wright nor you nor his other supporters have defended the actual words he said.

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I realize that Wright and most other African Americans are frustrated.  I don&#039;t blame them.  But it doesn&#039;t mean that they can claim absurd things or call for God&#039;s damnation of our country.  If they curse our country in one breath, they had better not demand benefits from her in the next.  While Jeremiah Wright sits in his mansion for the rest of his earthly days, he can rail against America all he wants, but it won&#039;t change the fact that he would not be in that mansion if things were as bad as he has claimed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, that definition is very convenient for you and for Jeremiah Wright.  It automatically classifies all white Americans as racists and no black Americans as racists.  </p>
<p>I read several definitions of racism from different sources.  They included:</p>
<p>*the belief that one&#8217;s race is superior and other races are inferior<br />
*unjust discrimination against other people because they belong to a different race<br />
*practices designed to keep a particular race dominant over other races in a particular society</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I note that neither Wright nor you nor his other supporters have defended the actual words he said.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>I realize that Wright and most other African Americans are frustrated.  I don&#8217;t blame them.  But it doesn&#8217;t mean that they can claim absurd things or call for God&#8217;s damnation of our country.  If they curse our country in one breath, they had better not demand benefits from her in the next.  While Jeremiah Wright sits in his mansion for the rest of his earthly days, he can rail against America all he wants, but it won&#8217;t change the fact that he would not be in that mansion if things were as bad as he has claimed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you could make a $40 contribution to the Dead Mule School of Southern Literature. Poetry editor Helen Losse provides a link to this article about how local black pastors in Winston-Salem view the Jeremiah [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you could make a $40 contribution to the Dead Mule School of Southern Literature. Poetry editor Helen Losse provides a link to this article about how local black pastors in Winston-Salem view the Jeremiah [...]</p>
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		<title>By: helenl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RG, I don&#039;t think racism means the same thing to you.  The definition is very important.  &lt;strong&gt;Racism&lt;/strong&gt; is a specific kind of prejudice.  It i&lt;strong&gt;s an unfounded prejudice against a given race of people plus the power to keep that group as an underclass. &lt;/strong&gt;  Thus, in the US, as much as black people may hate white people, they are not racists because they do not, as a group, have the power to reverse the historic roles of black and white.  Black against black may be hatred but not racism.  Black against white may be hatred but has no power.  People make less of racism by expanding the definition to mean things it really doesn&#039;t.

When I said out of context, I meant both the context of his sermon and the larger context of the historically black church.

You say your ancestors fought for abolition.  Great.  But slavery was a result of racism.  And racism didn&#039;t die out with abolition.  racism is with us today.  &lt;strong&gt;Systemic racism.&lt;/strong&gt;  Racism is so ingrained in the white American psyche that we don&#039;t know it&#039;s there.

What you hear in Wright&#039;s voice is frustration not hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RG, I don&#8217;t think racism means the same thing to you.  The definition is very important.  <strong>Racism</strong> is a specific kind of prejudice.  It i<strong>s an unfounded prejudice against a given race of people plus the power to keep that group as an underclass. </strong>  Thus, in the US, as much as black people may hate white people, they are not racists because they do not, as a group, have the power to reverse the historic roles of black and white.  Black against black may be hatred but not racism.  Black against white may be hatred but has no power.  People make less of racism by expanding the definition to mean things it really doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>When I said out of context, I meant both the context of his sermon and the larger context of the historically black church.</p>
<p>You say your ancestors fought for abolition.  Great.  But slavery was a result of racism.  And racism didn&#8217;t die out with abolition.  racism is with us today.  <strong>Systemic racism.</strong>  Racism is so ingrained in the white American psyche that we don&#8217;t know it&#8217;s there.</p>
<p>What you hear in Wright&#8217;s voice is frustration not hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: renaissanceguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>renaissanceguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be tired.

&quot;I don&#039;t understand how &quot;context&quot; lessens the impact. . .&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be tired.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t understand how &#8220;context&#8221; lessens the impact. . .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: renaissanceguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>renaissanceguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, I appreciate your reasonable response.

II don&#039;t understand how &quot;context&quot; lessons the impact of what Wright said.  If you can enlighten me, I&#039;d be glad to hear it.  I think you mean the cultural and historical context, which means very little to me.  It would be like my hating modern-day Congregationalists because their Puritan ancestors persecuted my Quaker and Baptist relatives, one of whom had an ear cut off and two others were martyred in their old age.

If you mean the context of the sermons, that only helps a little.  I don&#039;t know how to contextualize &quot;God d--n America&quot; in any way that would make it good.  I actually heard much of that particular sermon--not just the soundbite.  I don&#039;t know how to contextualize Wright&#039;s contention that the USA&#039;s white government infected people with AIDS or distributed drugs to them.  I don&#039;t know how to contextualize his calling the United States the US of KKK A.  My ancestors fought for abolition--some of them literally fought during the Civil War.  He&#039;s lumping in the people who opposed slavery with those who practiced it, and that offends me.

I&#039;m against racism.  I&#039;m against black on black racism that I saw in Africa and the white on white racism that goes on in Europe.  I&#039;m against white on black racism that I&#039;ve seen during my years in the South.  And I&#039;m against the  black on white racism that I hear in the words of Jeremiah Wright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, I appreciate your reasonable response.</p>
<p>II don&#8217;t understand how &#8220;context&#8221; lessons the impact of what Wright said.  If you can enlighten me, I&#8217;d be glad to hear it.  I think you mean the cultural and historical context, which means very little to me.  It would be like my hating modern-day Congregationalists because their Puritan ancestors persecuted my Quaker and Baptist relatives, one of whom had an ear cut off and two others were martyred in their old age.</p>
<p>If you mean the context of the sermons, that only helps a little.  I don&#8217;t know how to contextualize &#8220;God d&#8211;n America&#8221; in any way that would make it good.  I actually heard much of that particular sermon&#8211;not just the soundbite.  I don&#8217;t know how to contextualize Wright&#8217;s contention that the USA&#8217;s white government infected people with AIDS or distributed drugs to them.  I don&#8217;t know how to contextualize his calling the United States the US of KKK A.  My ancestors fought for abolition&#8211;some of them literally fought during the Civil War.  He&#8217;s lumping in the people who opposed slavery with those who practiced it, and that offends me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against racism.  I&#8217;m against black on black racism that I saw in Africa and the white on white racism that goes on in Europe.  I&#8217;m against white on black racism that I&#8217;ve seen during my years in the South.  And I&#8217;m against the  black on white racism that I hear in the words of Jeremiah Wright.</p>
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		<title>By: helenl</title>
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		<dc:creator>helenl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Renaissance Guy,

Not all black pastors and churches with black people in them are historically black.  Even Wright&#039;s denomination isn&#039;t historically black. 

If you want to understand the context of Wright&#039;s comments ask a preacher of a historically black church, such as the ones in this article.  If you want a different opinion, ask someone else.

No one is trying to pretend all blacks think alike.  Name anything, and someone believes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Renaissance Guy,</p>
<p>Not all black pastors and churches with black people in them are historically black.  Even Wright&#8217;s denomination isn&#8217;t historically black. </p>
<p>If you want to understand the context of Wright&#8217;s comments ask a preacher of a historically black church, such as the ones in this article.  If you want a different opinion, ask someone else.</p>
<p>No one is trying to pretend all blacks think alike.  Name anything, and someone believes it.</p>
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		<title>By: renaissanceguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>renaissanceguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post and the articles you allude to fail to address the actual things that Wright said.  It is the exact content of his comments that has upset people--not the fact that he is black or that he leads a black church.

You and your sources also imply that all black churches promote Black Liberation theology.  Far from it.

Please read what black pastor Henry R. Jackson wrote:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/HarryRJacksonJr/2008/05/05/the_way_that_seems_wright</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post and the articles you allude to fail to address the actual things that Wright said.  It is the exact content of his comments that has upset people&#8211;not the fact that he is black or that he leads a black church.</p>
<p>You and your sources also imply that all black churches promote Black Liberation theology.  Far from it.</p>
<p>Please read what black pastor Henry R. Jackson wrote:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/HarryRJacksonJr/2008/05/05/the_way_that_seems_wright" rel="nofollow">http://www.townhall.com/columnists/HarryRJacksonJr/2008/05/05/the_way_that_seems_wright</a></p>
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